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The Truth About Vinyl - Vinyl vs. Digital

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Havel The Rock
Havel The Rock 6 minutes ago
In my opinion: Vinyl: has richer bass, warmer sound, little altered from studio recording, quieter not as much gain (dB). But still sounds good Digital (MP3s, Flac, CDs): more upfront vocals, louder, more gain (dbs), less altered from studio recording, neutral. If you are an audiophile or you just want the most neutral recording that sounds exactly like the original recording then true uncrompressed, 9,600 kbps, 96khz, 24 bit digital recordings are for you. I hope this helped.
Gabriele Manno
Gabriele Manno 15 hours ago
EVERY THING WE HEAR IS DIGITAL! !!!!!!!
Fall Witch 1
Fall Witch 1 16 hours ago
Sorry vinyl sounds better
Media Creations
There is no question that in the early 80's, Vinyl sounded better than digital played back on the same equipment since digital tech was new, and more expensive for better equipment, which the average consumer couldn't afford (sony's first CD Player was 900 bucks in 1983!) In the last 20 years, that gap has closed with higher sample rates as standard and much better A/D's - The Pros of Digital are just too great... Once upon a time, YES and only on a $20K system, now? hard to really hear the difference if any. But mastering is everything I bet Bob Ludwig agrees :-)
prep74
prep74 43 minutes ago
Nonsense, where you around in the 1980s? CDs were a significant improvement over vinyl and hardly anyone said it wasn't. In fact, this was arguably the golden era of CDs. The claim that vinyl sounds better started happening from the mid 1990s which not coincidentally, was when the remasters and new issues were being excessively compressed and loud (ie the loudness wars) which could not be carried over to vinyl because it is an inferior medium and cannot cope with such hyper-compressed mastering. Your comment about ADCs and sample rates suggests you don't know much about audio science.
Gary Morris
Gary Morris Day ago
All my records are original both Import and American made.Reissured records are digital and cost to much in my opinion.When cd,s came out,I never thought just ones of selling any of my 1500 plus records from the 50,60s70,80,s.Glad I didn't.maney turntables in my past, u
prep74
prep74 Day ago
It's good you did not sell your records, I didn't sell off mine either. Many people did though and I wonder if those that are selling off their CDs for streamed music will later regret doing so as well.
Kraven Doomhammmer
I though vinyl nerds liked it because of the weird scratchy sound the needle makes (warmth?)
barryschwarz
barryschwarz Day ago
@prep74 This might be a case of a little knowledge being a bad thing. Regarding the "warmth" thing mentioned in the OP, I could understand it being experienced in the low frequency noise a record player imparts to the stylus just by the operation of the turntable (rumble).
prep74
prep74 Day ago
@barryschwarz That's one for the books. The lack of critical thinking of some people never ceases to amaze.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak Day ago
It's no sillier than anything else audiophiles believe...
barryschwarz
barryschwarz Day ago
One explanation I heard is that the needle's mechanical operation itself creates vibrations in the air in the room - supposedly sending a tiny bit of extra crispness of high frequency to the ear of the listener.
Thomas Headley
Thomas Headley 2 days ago
The human mind is capable of understanding that 90% of all recorded works have never been or will ever be up loaded to digital or transcribed to CD. Better to have 100% of options at 10% distortion than 10% of the options at zero distortion.
H A
H A 2 days ago
CD'S ALL THE WAY BITCHES!!!
AuthenticWaves
AuthenticWaves 2 days ago
Back to the roots, real numbers are a mathematical concept. Calculus, decimal binary or other is and has always been digital. Representing air pressure finally defaults to the required number of digits. Quality of a whole analogue chain relies on exactitude and it can not be absolute. It is also true for a whole digital one. The main difference between the two is in many energy conversions analogue uses before reaching our ears, while digital processes numbers through many algorithms. There is enough speed in chips to do that with a sufficient number of digits, probably not enough exactitude in known algorithms. The two worlds will converge at a sufficient number of digits. It is not infinite, as our ears are not perfect nor are processes in our brains involved in interpreting audio signals.
prep74
prep74 Day ago
True but somewhat irrelevant. What comes out of a DAC is the exact analog signal that was originally fed to ADC.
Micael Håkans
Micael Håkans 3 days ago
I try to explain the difference in a rather crude way, but I think most people get the point... If your lover/mistress pussy/cock taste like nothing but sterile... Would you like that? Would that turn you on?...
prep74
prep74 Day ago
I think a better analogy is comparing a semi flaccid cock/loose pussy (analog playback) with a hard cock/tight pussy (accurate digital).
lozzaaa15
lozzaaa15 3 days ago
The section on sampling seems kinda misleading to me because you didn't mention bit rate. Sure 44.1k samples are taken but then each sample is quantized by a specific bit rate. Lower the bit rate drastically and you will hear the difference clearly.
Embis
Embis 19 minutes ago
You got it all backwards lol.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 2 days ago
That's bit depth, not bit rate. For uncompressed audio, the bit rate will be constant. When you compress it with a lossy codec, you throw out a certain percentage of data to achieve smaller files. The bit rate will be lower than the uncompressed stream, but the less you throw away, the closer you can get to the original signal.
No Name
No Name 4 days ago
I powered up my record player but didnt hook it up. Played a record. Played flac file. Enter my audiophile friend who sees the record spinning thinking that was the source and goes on about on how it sounds better. Then I show him the dangling rca's.....
Embis
Embis 18 minutes ago
@prep74 Thats great
prep74
prep74 Day ago
An old colleague of mine once shared a house with a guy who had an irrational hate of digital. The guy had a top notch stereo which was all analog. One day the colleague inserted a 16/44 digital pathway between the pre-amp and amp and did not tell the guy for over a month. The digital hater never noticed...
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 3 days ago
Lol!
N Gauge England -Synthematix-
Fuck vinyl, is awful on so many levels. Anyhoo vinyl is analog yet mastered from a digital source, audioidiots tend to forget that. Only fuckers that are keeping this dark ages tech alive are pipe smoking hipsters. vinyl suffers from so many things its unreal
Embis
Embis 18 minutes ago
Not ALL pressings are mastered from digital sources.
D. Paul Gladstone
Modern LPs giver more space to record the song, and many albums are two or more disc. The common CD is more like the older records by using a 16 bit / 44.1 khz. There is a less accurate more raw sounding music than a modern 32 bit / 384 khz recording. This means there are differences among digital sound. However, the CD is more capable than the record to capture a wider spectrum of sound. The vinyl does not compete in this arena because it smooths out the sound into an analog message without the coarseness of a CD. Depending on the music listened to there is a need for both forms of recording. The two sides need to stop arguing about which is best because it's apples & oranges.
prep74
prep74 Day ago
How is that so when 16/44 exceeds an LP on any relevant measure of high fidelity? Your explanation of bit depth and sample rates is factually incorrect. people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
D. Paul Gladstone
@Thom Moore You are completely correct. If you make a recording at the higher bit rate and then back it back down to 16 bit you will not hear the difference.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 4 days ago
Unless you are a bat then you can't hear the difference between 16/44.1K and 32/384K (or really anything beyond 44.1K). The distortion of 16/44.1K is below the ability of human hearing to discern. If there is a difference then its likely a different media mastering job. There have been A/B/X tests of music recorded at 24 bit/192K and down sampled to 16/44.1K and humans can't tell the difference. CD is not coarse, its accurate. With the exception of records not available on CD, there is no reason or need for vinyl. Arguing has a purpose, people who aren't informed are being duped into buying an obsolete and inferior playback system and its deteriorating with use media. Its consumer advocacy.
J Needels
J Needels 4 days ago
bravo, that was the best comprehensive explanation I've ever heard. Thanks!
HomeTheatreJunkie 71
Truth about vinyl...it makes GREAT FLOORING!!!👍👌👍
Philosophia Entis
How about the 15 ips Master Tapes?
prep74
prep74 Day ago
Hardly any studio uses tape these days, just like hardly any movie studios still use film.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 4 days ago
Before the advent of digital recording studios there was legitimate argument about 30 ips master tapes sounding as good as 1990s quality digital mastering. I don't know about 15 ips. Plus, it doesn't have the mechanical problems of a single stylus handling two channels like vinyl, minus the media still wears out with use and time.
Cad mium
Cad mium 5 days ago
Curious choice of illustration to have the entire tone arm act as a stylus to reproduce the vibrations back into electrical charge. Will that mislead people?
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 4 days ago
Not with every 3rd comment pointing it out. ^_^
Otto Normalverbrauch
There is something extremely wrong in the first shot with both the way the pick up arm is handled as well as the way the cantilever is (mis)mounted!!
prep74
prep74 Day ago
Yep, so many things are wrong on this video.
David Moran
David Moran 5 days ago
"real" engineering?? Notes from experts: counterweight --- not producing the sound. RIAA pre-emphasis is wrong insofar as it doesn't take into account velocity-sensitive playback (constant amplitude cutting results in 6dB/octave rise). Recording characteristic therefore has falling response from near dc to 50 Hz, then level from 50 to 500, then falling from 500 to 2.12kHz, then level above. Putting it another way, a 6 dB / octave boost below 50, which takes up more space. RIAA is NOT a recording curve but a playback curve. Finally, boosting the treble in recording does not exactly reduce HF noise. Other than that....
Frank Goad
Frank Goad 5 days ago
MOST importantly, buy the music you like to support the artists because they earned it - you don't work for free, so be fair. I use vinyl because I still have them from (mumble) years ago, plus I still have a super-nice vintage turntable that's been updated with modern components. In the end, all the fuss about vinyl vs. digital is kinda moot if you've got sub-par hardware and speakers. Music is a personal thing - we all have different hearing abilities and preferences. Goofy as it sounds, I've got a few albums of electronic music on vinyl. Why? Because you could download the digital files, too, with purchase. Sometimes the manual act of playing a record is more satisfying - you feel a bit more connected. Vinyl vs. digital? Do what feels right and forget the arguments.
grampt beele
grampt beele Day ago
I recently discovered my grandparents treasure trove of vinyl records ranging from Louis Armstrong to Blondie. I'm a teenager so just playing around with the turntable is like a whole new discovery for me, and there's definitely a greater feeling of involvement with the music. I'm not an audiophile so the arguments over sound quality aren't my thing, but I just really enjoy playing music on vinyl
kle3good
kle3good 5 days ago
lets face it a biased sales pitch for digital...
Evan Zab
Evan Zab 6 days ago
I dont get it, why so much analyze, the truth is that music from vinyl sounds sweeter and it's more enjoyable....end of story ;)
prep74
prep74 Hour ago
@Evan Zab What is your point?
Evan Zab
Evan Zab 9 hours ago
@prep74 I see your point, but you're missing mine....
prep74
prep74 Day ago
Music is not supposed to sound 'sweeter' unless that is how the producer wanted it to sound.
cb irwin
cb irwin 6 days ago
I have a ton of vinyl and Ton of cd's , for me it about what equipment is being used . but that another debate .. both media sound good to great to me .. I some vinyl recordings that the CD counterpart doesn't sound as good and vice versa... the problem I have is finding news stuff on either format worth listening to...
Didivs Ivlianvs
Didivs Ivlianvs 6 days ago
Here is the very simple reason why this is bullshit. In the digital medium, sound is translated into data and then translated back into sound using electronics that theoretically does these conversions between the data and triggering of audio devices based on the opinion of designers on the sound quality. Analog media directly record wave patterns, which are then directly reproduced. The only thing that matters is how faithfully the reproducer follows the recorded wave while minimizing mechanical noise. There is no translation, theory or opinion involved. Digital data can be garbage in garbage out. An analog wave just is.
prep74
prep74 25 minutes ago
@Carciongen A better (ie correct) video on digital audio... usvid.net/video/video-cIQ9IXSUzuM.html
prep74
prep74 Day ago
@Carciongen This is a better (and more accurate) explanation. xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml
prep74
prep74 Day ago
@Carciongen This is a better (and a more accurate) explanation. xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml
prep74
prep74 Day ago
I think you miss the key point. Analog does not retain its purity over distance or when converted to another analog medium. Each time the analog signal is converted to another form of energy, eg movement of air to an electrical signal (mikes) or an electrical signal back to air movement (speakers), the analog wave is degraded. Whenever one form of energy is converted to another there always is loss of information, noise added and distortion. Now think about the losses and distortions from converting the electrical signal to magnetic (analog tape) and then back, and then electrical signal to mechanical energy (cutting a record) and then back and the losses all add up. With digital at least all the conversion is done within the electrical domain. That in a large part is why we have digital for audio, video, broadcast, smartphones etc. At the end of the day the measurements do not lie.
tony andrade
tony andrade 6 days ago
Vinyl is not superior, it is actually inferior. It is only defended by elitists. No serious music engineer or music producer will assert vinyl is better
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 6 days ago
Right on! Thank you.
Malte Laurids Brigge
What an excellent video on the topic. Very informative.
Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy 7 days ago
Idea take a vinal record put inro a computer use losless format burn it to cd!!!! Then compair it plus people don't realize in 1989 fcc said to stop using the type of amplifier that help give you the sound!!!! Now we use a crappy type that makes music horrible and they keep messing with it tp try everything tp make it sound clear and so far manufacturers can't get nothing!!!!!! (Take a cd player on an 1980s receiver plug rca into tape input select tape and u will her a big difference from todays equipment!!!!!
ebs bow
ebs bow 7 days ago
One question remains. Do you like live or recorded sound. Hint, recorded isn't real.
Roy Rice
Roy Rice 7 days ago
Yeh, aliens have Victrolas!! Sure........
prep74
prep74 12 minutes ago
There is a reason why NASA chose a gold record. It doesn't rely on electronics for playback, in fact on the surface of the record there are picture instructions on how to build a basic record player to retrieve the information. This actually is the main plus point of records, ie archival. For example, if we on Earth had some major catastrophe throwing us back to the stone age, if any records survived someone could work out how to play it by spinning it and placing a sharp object into the groove. CDs and tapes would require major technological advances before we could work out what to do with them.
mehstgful
mehstgful 6 days ago
Heard on Saturday Night Live skit. Upon playing the golden record sent to outer space, aliens commented "send more Chuck Berry".
Roy Rice
Roy Rice 7 days ago
Vinyl is crude. I know. I have thousands in mint condition. This is a kiddie marvel only and making vinyl unduly popular. Go to CD superiority!! If you are a touch freak get the vinyl. Snap, crackle and pop with vinyl.......rave on!! ,
HomeTheatreJunkie 71
Correct..
The Black Queen
The Black Queen 5 days ago
Roy Rice If the disc is cleaned and stored properly, the crackling isn't a problem.
Fred Shriever
Fred Shriever 8 days ago
In spite of a mistake on how the sound is collected by the stylus at 4:45 , very interesting video! I was not aware about RIAA correction curve, why it was necessary, and its amplification counterpart in amplifiers . Awesome .
prep74
prep74 10 minutes ago
A better explanation of RIAA equalisation is on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization
Joe Orton
Joe Orton 8 days ago
I have a wireless 8 track
Peter Moeller
Peter Moeller 8 days ago
In the end, our ears are analog. An analog sound wave must be produced by our speakers or headphones. Who cares who the signal/music gets there? Well, but people do care, they really get emotional about it! Technical, clearly, digital is “better” because bits cannot get dirty or wear out. Bits can be transmitted easily to places or devices. I guess that's why pretty much all music today is produced digitally. But what about sound quality, does digital or analog sound better? I think the simple answer is that different setups sound *different*. How the music is stored (analog vs digital) is a rather minor contributor. The speakers, amp and even the room have a bigger setup. In the end, what people prefer is simply a question of taste. Some people prefer to walk home through the city, others like to go through the forest. Personal preference. Some people seem to have to think that their taste or personal preference is better. Human nature, I guess?
prep74
prep74 4 minutes ago
Our ears may be analog (sort of) but our brain is not. The sound waves are translated from the hair cells in our cochleas across neurons firing on and off, a bit like digital 1s and 0s. Taking it further, our DNA is more digital than analog, ie four letters or four bits of information. Technically digital is better because it is less lossy, ie it has a higher resolution measured by signal to noise and dynamic range. Apart from that I agree mostly with what you say. Given good production and mastering, whether it is vinyl, tape, CD or digital file is not the most important factor in high fidelity playback. What is more important are the speakers and listening room acoustics.
uncle darren
uncle darren 9 days ago
At least with a lp or cd you own someting tangible. With a data file you own nothing. As for LP quality... hiss pop, hiss pop, hiss pop.
Larry Ownbey
Larry Ownbey 9 days ago
This guy is either deaf or really ignorant. A sampling rate of 44,172 times per second, or CD rate, is way to slow to properly record or reproduce music. In this video he presents some good information but is speaking about recording and playing single sinusoidal sound. (a single tone with a perfect sine wave) If all you wish to listen to is a single continuous tone enjoy. Music is not only a single tone very few instruments produce perfect sine wave sound. Reed instruments for example produce a wave form more similar to a "saw-tooth wave" which is chopped and distorted by sampling at a rate less than 96Khz. It is because music is not a single sine wave tone, and more reasons that I will not go into here, that most digital recording and playback don't even come close to all analog recordings. DVD-Audio discs are recorded at 96Khz or better yet 192Khz sampling rate, if you get a chance to listen to one of these discs on a GOOD system you will hear a major difference. DVD-Audio discs must be played on a player that is designed to play them standard DVD movie players will not play them. I could go into intense detail but, that would require thirty pages of text and a pretty good grasp of audio and electricity
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 9 days ago
P.S. if digital couldn't capture complex waveforms, you wouldn't hear anything musical out of any digital system, AT ALL.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 9 days ago
Almost all the harmonics of musical instruments fall below 20 kHz, so CD rate is plenty to capture the content. Any harmonics above that can't be heard anyway, and the studio mics are typically rated to only 20 kHz. See this audio frequency chart: pbs.twimg.com/media/DBnwfNTUAAAejet.jpg
Silent Spectre
Silent Spectre 10 days ago
FLAC is the only file closest to vinyl you can get thus far if you have an original pressing master vinyl. Vinyl tends to break down after multiple plays, when digital never loses audio quality makes digital imo better. I still use vinyl, to mix records, as well as my dvs serato dj system. Which are timecode vinyls.
Embis
Embis 5 minutes ago
@Jamie Anderson FLAC out preforms CD? What does that even mean? FLAC is compressed from a CD audio source lol.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 7 days ago
NO NO NO. If you go straight to digital either uncompressed (e.g. WAV or CD) or lossless compressed (e.g. FLAC) you will always outperform Vinyl, virgin, master or otherwise. The very act of recording to vinyl and playing it back adds 2-3% THD, and a host of other bad effects. Vinyl is bad news when it comes to low distortion audio recording and playback.
Jamie Anderson
Jamie Anderson 7 days ago
FLAC outperforms CD for 99% of CD players.
brave
brave 9 days ago
FLAC is the closest to CD you can get.
Kevin Fetner
Kevin Fetner 10 days ago
Digital works by converting to its format from analog and again at the end user in the form of speakers back to analog. Nature is analog, we hear in analog.....your brain processes in analog. The best that digital can hope for is to 100% replicate analog sound. Since vinyl won't die as it was supposed to, it would seem that there are converts on both sides. I have no dog in this fight except that the distortion/coloration of 1st order harmonics makes the analog chain more appealing to me. Try both...settle on your winner. A CD has billions of bits of information encoded in it, but a record has trillions.
Jamie Anderson
Jamie Anderson 11 hours ago
@ReaktorLeak That could be so. Another hypothesis: his brain is "working harder" to process all the extra detail that is absent in the analog playback.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 4 days ago
@Kevin Fetner My guess is that your "ear fatigue" is coming from bad recordings/EQ, not from anything inherent to digital.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 5 days ago
@Kevin Fetner Well you got some things right. It is all or nothing because digital recording and playback is higher fidelity in every measurable way and substantially so, very audibly so. If you are a pro you know this. Analog recording and playback is not simply a choice from a list of valid options, it is obsolete. And you're right, I am telling you your ears aren't very good, no one's are compared to lab measurement for signal level components. There is some validity to critical listening for speakers, but merit of signal level components is strictly lab measurement. Better useful measurement means better component. Beyond that what you are saying is you prefer the sound of distorted output from obsolete technology. Okay, enjoy it but do not make any more argument for it than that. And one last point you have right, I have no sense of humor about it, at least any remaining. It was worn away by 30+ years of listening to analog flat-eathers prattle on with their unscientific BS.
Kevin Fetner
Kevin Fetner 6 days ago
@Thom Moore You're missing my first point about harmonics. The coloration and distortion in analog on a professional level is pleasing to the human ear. What you digital guys lack is a common ground (and in general, a sense of humor). It's digital or nothing as far as you're concerned. In actual blind listening test, the digital THD factor does not smite the listening of analog recordings of the same music pieces. I'm not arguing about the work in recording analog versus digital and why most engineers have converted to the digital recording process. It IS a toss up with the human ear and I invite you to take a A/B/X double blind test with really pro analog gear against pro digital gear in the music of your choice. It's most definitely not about the numbers like THD, but what you actually hear. Talk to musicians and get their take on the actual sound product from both formats. To say that digital has lower THD than analog and therefore a better format in every way just defeats your reasoning. I prefer to listen to music for long periods at a time. On the best digital systems my ears fatigue after about an hour at volume. My ears never fatigue on pro analog gear with a well recorded music source. By "fatigue" I mean I start to get a headache, or my experiences becomes obviously less satisfactory. It's almost as if you're trying to tell us the human ear is faulty and should always prefer digital.
John Testelin
John Testelin 10 days ago
I have a question. In many CD the sound of violins is a kind of "grinding". Some say lacking of "warmth". This critic already began with at the beginning of digital recording. Is there a way with an equalizer, a filter to eliminate these uncomfortable harmonics? Can someone help? There is a lot subjectivity in this debate, nonetheless very interesting. Well, it looks like we will be exhausted before the subject! :0) What I noticed, listening to both kinds of records, there is a significant dispersion of quality in records, digital or analogical as well. You don't need a $ I0,000 HiFi installation to notice it. I won't list all the different affecting factors. Will van den Dungen claims that musicians say there is a difference between digital and analogical records. It's a very good point. The musical ear of musicians is more "open", developed or have a wider spectrum in frequencies than other people. Their opinion should be taken in consideration. But use, care, and maintenance of vinyl records, are a pin in the neck and time consuming! There is some records that I prefer on vinyl, and other on CD. Now, there is "old" vinyl records you cannot find on CD. It's a pity.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 7 days ago
John, the recording playback chain contains many components. If you find the playback of a piece unpleasant, ask yourself, have you heard it played live and if so did it sound different? If this is true then look for better quality recordings and perhaps better components. If you haven't heard it live and are comparing CD recordings to vinyl recordings take comfort in the fact that the CD is probably the more accurate playback.
Thom Moore
Thom Moore 7 days ago
@Larry Ownbey Stop misleading people. Higher sampling rates merely allow the capture and recreation of higher frequency signals. This might be important if you are a dog or cat or a bat as they can hear much higher frequencies than humans. But for humans, redbook 44.1K CD is good enough. In lab tests humans can't distinguish between 192K Hz sampling direct and then down sampled to 44.1 KHz recordings. 96KHz and 192 KHz are just unethical marketing ploys by an industry that is evil to its core (high end audio).
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 8 days ago
It is NOT because it's digitized.
Larry Ownbey
Larry Ownbey 9 days ago
In simple terms, NO. The reason it sounds like that is because it is DIGITIZED. Digital has come a long way since CD's were released. The recordings done at 192Khz, more than 4x the sampling rate of CD's, are nearly as good as analog. Try listening to your favorite song in the 192Khz/24bit format of a DVD-Audio disc or download as a FLAC file format (favoritesong.flac) for example and hear your recording reproduced nearly perfectly
Anthony Pawlowski
Anthony Pawlowski 10 days ago
Then there is cassette tapes. Oh the joy those were! ?FF no RW ...click FF...click ?... FF... FF... Finally this is the song I want! Sides of roads had a special kind of confetti too! :)
Pranay Tamang
Pranay Tamang 10 days ago
Hey, i am curious , is your voice is playing in that animation?
Max Xiang
Max Xiang 10 days ago
edison was an idiot
Lance Lawson
Lance Lawson 11 days ago
Vinyl is at best a third rate method of sound storage and playback. Clicks and pops are not the sound of studio tapes or studio master digital files. Turntable rumble and surface noise are products of the vinyl medium. Give a good listen to a well produced CD vs same on a good vinyl pressing. The CD will have more information in spite of the CD cut frequency cut off. The only thing vinyl has in it's favor is the tactile sense of loading a record onto a turntable and easily appreciating the album art. Yes vinyl is nice to have around but it is long past the time when we should kid ourselves that it sounds better than the other major formats.
adamkutchman
adamkutchman 11 days ago
If you researched so much about the science why didn't you mention bit depth? You mentioned the "volume wars" but nothing about the huge difference between analog volume dynamics vs digital. What about dithering? The act of adding noise to a digital file during mastering in order to overcome the inherent problems with trying to get a smooth analog response from a digital medium? You threw out that 20,000hz number like that's a fact when it also is not. Many people can hear above 20,000hz. Thus, SOME humans are hearing aliasing and frequency cutoff at the top of a digital file. ...and if 44,100 is so good why is all movie sound rendered in 48,000/24 bit? Surely there can be no reason if humans can't even tell the difference between vinyl and digital.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 11 days ago
There shouldn't be ANY aliasing if the disc was properly mastered. The anti-aliasing filter should cut off sharply at 20 kHz, with no level at all by the time it gets to 22.05 kHz (where aliasing would occur).
BLH BSIT
BLH BSIT 11 days ago
There is also another reason. Most humans, seem to develop an opinion. They become invested in that opinion. Changing opinion is similar to admitting failure. So, Many humans can't change their mind because they have little to no confidence and stand pat to protect their fragile state. These people work on the Correct, Incorrect, (Right Wrong) ego and thus can't and/or won't change their opinion. It is just part of being human. Both sides must live with it. What ever makes you happy, Sa La Vie.
TheSpazztech
TheSpazztech 11 days ago
The same story that humans can only perceive x amount of y has been said about frame rates in video, and has been dis-proven many times over. I would think the same applies here but i have to wonder how many of these modern recordings are from an analog source and use analog through out the recording process? If your source is digital then your vinyl is just a version of digital on different medium.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 11 days ago
You should test that! :)
TheSpazztech
TheSpazztech 11 days ago
@ReaktorLeak I would say that bit rate is the audio equivalent of frame rate and could be used as a metric for audio fidelity. Testing a listeners ability to hear the difference between various bit rates (using the same resolution for all tests) would be a good way to determine the truth about the limits of human hearing.
ReaktorLeak
ReaktorLeak 11 days ago
Audio is not like video: there is no "frame rate" with audio. The signal is always continuous, even if you limit the band severely.
Plainjupiter724
Plainjupiter724 11 days ago
Vinyl does sound better because the sound is less compressed
John Testelin
John Testelin 10 days ago
Sorry, I don't agree with you. It's the opposite. The dynamic is much better on a CD. Personally, sometimes I have to turn down the volume when there is a "tutti" (classical music) of the orchestra. Now, the dispersion on the quality of records is significant on CDs and vinyls as well. It depends mostly on where the record was done and on the sound engineer who made the record. It depends on if you have a CD ADD, or DDD. Now, there is also a difference of quality in vinyls depending if your record is pressed at the beginning of the production or at the end. The mold is subject of wearing. I am always surprised, how the quality of the sound can change from a record to another one, in CDs and vinyls as well. And you do not need a HiFi system costing $ 10,000 to notice it. To finish, there is some very good vinyl records, that you cannot find on CDs, and that a pity. Then there is no choice.
Powergenic
Powergenic 11 days ago
The good thing about vinyl is that you get have a piece of art in real life
Raigou
Raigou 12 days ago
11:15 that is just wrong. the louder parts of the song do not become quieter. they get squished and are perceived as even louder.
Jamie Anderson
Jamie Anderson 7 days ago
The louder parts ARE quieter and the quieter parts are louder.: that's the definition of compression!
Eric Wood
Eric Wood 12 days ago
Eat that Tesla!
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